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Posted 06 April 2005 - 12:28 PM
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id='QUOTE'> I stand corrected. according to
href='http://www.guncontrol.ca/Content/TheCaseForGunControl.html' target='_blank'>this site Canada has
roughly 1 million handguns versus the US which has 76 million handguns.
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Well, I made that wise-guy remark in sarcasm to what Michael Moore
said on "Bowling for Columbine," which I liked and thought America needs to see, about how ownership
in Canada is similiar to what it is stateside. We can see that it really isn't!
To me the
biggest problem is the NRA. They don't give a rat's ass that thousands of black and hispanic kids
(Asian gang members too) are killing each other in the inner cities. The other thing is when the "right to
bear arms," which I stated on here earlier but got wiped out, was written into the Bill of Rights the
reason was because of a fear of another British invasion and that happened. The other thing is there were only
powder muskets and pistols, which take at least a minute to reload. They would be quaking in their boots if
they saw how special-interest groups have allowed that "right" to become where we are today, where any
clown can buy an AK-47, Uzi, Glock, Tec-9, Mac 10 and those other weapons far too easily.
So now
it's come to bite our own rearends. Terrorists buying guns in the US, which have probably killed our own
troops.
The majority of Americans want more stringent gun controls, why
can't we get it done?$?$?$?$?$?$?
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Posted 06 April 2005 - 03:24 PM
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it out and gave it to him good. While he's convulsing i called 911 and gave them my location
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not trying to make a joke out of your situation but that is some funny
shit, the part about you tasering him a few more times that is. you shoulda tasered his nads for good
measure.
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ne! That's
exactly what I thought.
The thing is, people carry
around a gun for "self defence" but when they are forced to use it they may end up killing someone.
Now let's say they don't go to prison for it, but they are still going to have that hanging over their
head. Let's say Umeboshi had a gun that day, pulled it out, and in the excitement of the moment pulled the
trigger and killed the guy? Is that justified. What if she didn't mean to kill him, just to hurt him enough
to stop him?
Jai also said that they
shouldn't give permits to the wrong kind of people...
They are going to get their hands on guns whether they have a permit or not
right?
(just a moment, I'm reading the
rest of the thread)
If only there were statistics to say how many times guns have been useful in those
sorts of confrontations. Obviously we are going to hear about cases where kids are playing around with their
dads gun and accidentaly shoot someone or a gun goes off by accident and innocent people get killed. Whenever
someone who supports guns tries to explain why they're good, I'm never convinced.
Make every moment count!
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Posted 06 April 2005 - 03:30 PM
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be more cocky which leads to kids in the inner cities to just shoot instead of taking an arse whupping. It
allows bad people to rob, rape and commit other crimes that they couldn't in most cases. Yeah a person
could use a knife but you can defend against that far easier.
The other thing is the accidental
deaths/injuries. More people are killed/injured accidentally than defending themselves against an
assailant but we never hear that from the NRA.
I've said this many times but we will see more cases
like Columbine and we did the other day in North Dakota. Be ready for more tragedies like this,
America.
It's absolutely appalling that an American (or anyone for that matter) can buy automatic
weaponry, RIDICULOUS! [/quote]
exactly,
having a gun makes people think they're bigger/more dangerous/safer/credible/wuteva than they are.
If you
pull out a gun while someone is trying to rob you, and they have a gun too, what happens if they've killed
several people before and you haven't ever shot anything other than tin cans? There's no way you are
going to be able to protect yourself? (not unless they try to be gangsta and hold the gun sideways
)
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Posted 06 April 2005 - 03:40 PM
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are bad news. It allows people to be more cocky which leads to kids in the inner cities to just shoot instead of
taking an arse whupping.
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id='QUOTE'>Really BD and by arse whupping you mean RAPE , ROBBERY AND MURDER?
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No, I mean a lot of kids in
the inner cities will just shoot someone rather than get into it via fisticuffs. You should certainly know
about this, it happens in the larger cities in the US all the time. How may kids got shot in my generation
because they got dissed?
If a person has a gun then they are going to be more likely to commit
murder, rape and robbery. If you had pulled a gun on that guy who attacked you, yeah, you could have shot him.
But most people don't know how to shoot or lose the nerve in that type of stressful situation and many get
the gun turned on them instead... It's good that you had the Taser, too bad you got into a bit of trouble
over that, imagine if you had shot him, maybe you would be writing to us from prison...who's to say.
That's another example of how the justice system is screwed in the
U.S.
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to rob, rape and commit other crimes that they couldn't in most cases.
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id='QUOTE'>yeah and it allows more defenseless people NOT to be able to defend
themselves. Think about it instead of just copying and pasting statistics and paragraphs
from an internet search , it keeps people from having to form their own opinions.Why should the government
GIVE a permit to a thug or a recorded sexual offender
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Yes, indeed, why should they? But you see, because guns are so prolific
in our society it is quite easy for thugs and/or recorded sexual offenders to get one. I've had many people
try to sell me a handgun at a local car wash. So I'm not sure how your argument, with all due respect, is
valid on that one.
And most people do have an opinion on this but it gets flushed to the side by special
interests, read=the NRA, one of the worst organizations in the whole world for being special interest.
Don't even get me started on Charleston Heston.
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Posted 06 April 2005 - 03:41 PM
this is
a great topic
a great topic
Make every moment count!
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Posted 06 April 2005 - 07:28 PM
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id='QUOTE'>Did you know that you can purchase a 50 millimeter automatic assault rifle
through the internet.
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That can't be right. A 50mm caliber shell can knock out a tank.
Take out a ruler and try drawing a bullet
that's 50mm in diameter... an AK-47 shell is 7.62mm, "50 caliber" (0.5in) is 12.7mm.
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Posted 06 April 2005 - 10:33 PM
Yeah, that doesn't sound right, an AK-47 is 7.62mm caliber and there are 40 mm grenade
launchers...
50 mm anti-tank gun:
launchers...
50 mm anti-tank gun:
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Posted 07 April 2005 - 01:07 AM
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automatic assault rifle through the internet.
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That can't be right. A 50mm caliber shell can knock out a tank.
Take out a ruler and try drawing a bullet
that's 50mm in diameter... an AK-47 shell is 7.62mm, "50 caliber" (0.5in) is 12.7mm.
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(edit) Yeah I think you're
right...I think it was a 50 caliber bullet/firing rifle Riktov..vs what I originally said. Whatever it was it
could pierce an armored car from two miles away and you could purchase it through the internet for
$2000-$3000 USD in cash. Pretty scary if you think...who needs a gun like that......not a civilian
trying to protect his home at least...I mean unless you're going gung ho like Tony Montana/Scarface or
something haha.
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Posted 07 April 2005 - 01:24 AM
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have any other response besides I AGREE *insert name* followed by a retarded joke , and by god i hope that
samurai sword thing is a joke. not trying to rag on you but i would think this is a serious
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Ouch!....sorry
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Posted 07 April 2005 - 05:56 AM
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id='QUOTE'>Seriously do you EVER have any other response besides I AGREE *insert name*
followed by a retarded joke , and by god i hope that samurai sword thing is a joke. not trying to rag on you but
i would think this is a serious topic.
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Ouch!....sorry Jai.
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Posted 07 April 2005 - 11:06 AM
Umeboshi: re: taser incident:
I can see your point about tasers, but how would a gun have been any better? I
mean, in either case he would have been just as subdued, which, in the short-term, is what's really
important.
I can see your point about tasers, but how would a gun have been any better? I
mean, in either case he would have been just as subdued, which, in the short-term, is what's really
important.
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well
sugarpie , you see not many girls carry something like a taser , if indeed they have anything it's
usually some weaksauce pepper spray . So he was subdued this time fine, but how about the other times? He
will try again with other girls and maybe has succeeded in other occasions. Did you know that an abnormaly
large percentage of women who are raped do not report it because they feel too ashamed to do so? and im not
even counting the ones who are killed afterwards. In my opinion that sort of man is better dealt with
quickly , and if he's dead it's no loss at all.
sugarpie , you see not many girls carry something like a taser , if indeed they have anything it's
usually some weaksauce pepper spray . So he was subdued this time fine, but how about the other times? He
will try again with other girls and maybe has succeeded in other occasions. Did you know that an abnormaly
large percentage of women who are raped do not report it because they feel too ashamed to do so? and im not
even counting the ones who are killed afterwards. In my opinion that sort of man is better dealt with
quickly , and if he's dead it's no loss at all.
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Posted 07 April 2005 - 04:10 PM
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id='QUOTE'> In my opinion that sort of man is better dealt with quickly , and if he's
dead it's no loss at all.
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what if he's just asking for a light?
I remember walking home one day (in Japan) in a dark, poorly lit back
street.
There was a lady about 5 metres ahead of me on the left hand side of the road. I decided to walk
on the right hand side so as not to scare her (no sidewalk/pavement, Japanese backstreet you see).
However I
needed to turn to the left, so as my turning was close I crossed over and just as I turned just behind her, she
swung around with a look of horror on her face (kind of like "don't raaaaape meeeee"
)Now if she (was american and) had a
gun she probably would have had it ready by then, and instead of looking at me like that she would have pulled
it out in her "defence"... what if she was nervous and pulled the trigger by mistake? What if she
screamed "don't come any closer, don't move" then we would have had a shitty stalemate.
"Lady just let me go home"!
I appreciate that there is a real threat for women when it comes to being
out alone at night, but not everyone is a rapist. You can't kill someone before you know that they are a
rapist
If only there was something not so
deadly, like a "I'm gonna to tell yo mama" phone or something
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Posted 07 April 2005 - 04:31 PM
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id='QUOTE'> If only there was something not so deadly, like a "I'm gonna to tell yo
mama" phone or something
riot police in the US use rubber bullets from
time to time, although i'm not sure how accessible or effective they are. almost seems pointless to use if
you're trying to evade a would-be attacker.
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with quickly , and if he's dead it's no loss at all.
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what if he's just asking for a light?
I remember walking home one day (in Japan) in a dark, poorly lit back
street.
There was a lady about 5 metres ahead of me on the left hand side of the road. I decided to walk
on the right hand side so as not to scare her (no sidewalk/pavement, Japanese backstreet you see).
However I
needed to turn to the left, so as my turning was close I crossed over and just as I turned just behind her, she
swung around with a look of horror on her face (kind of like "don't raaaaape meeeee"
)Now if she (was american and) had a
gun she probably would have had it ready by then, and instead of looking at me like that she would have pulled
it out in her "defence"... what if she was nervous and pulled the trigger by mistake? What if she
screamed "don't come any closer, don't move" then we would have had a shitty stalemate.
"Lady just let me go home"!
I appreciate that there is a real threat for women when it comes to being
out alone at night, but not everyone is a rapist. You can't kill someone before you know that they are a
rapist
If only there was something not so
deadly, like a "I'm gonna to tell yo mama" phone or something
[/quote]I suppose you didn't read my initial post well enough. This guy was NOT asking for a light or
directions.
It's every woman's (or man) god given right to defend his/herself. Maybe it sounds
crude to you but i don't think molesters/pedos etc deserve to live, and don't give me that
"they'll suffer more in prison so its more effective etc" crap , that's just a waste of the
tax payers' good money nd they'll be out and about in a few years anyways.
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Posted 07 April 2005 - 04:37 PM
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dead it's no loss at all.
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what if he's just asking for a light?
I remember walking home one day (in Japan) in a dark, poorly lit back
street.
There was a lady about 5 metres ahead of me on the left hand side of the road. I decided to walk
on the right hand side so as not to scare her (no sidewalk/pavement, Japanese backstreet you see).
However I
needed to turn to the left, so as my turning was close I crossed over and just as I turned just behind her, she
swung around with a look of horror on her face (kind of like "don't raaaaape meeeee"
)Now if she (was american and) had a
gun she probably would have had it ready by then, and instead of looking at me like that she would have pulled
it out in her "defence"... what if she was nervous and pulled the trigger by mistake? What if she
screamed "don't come any closer, don't move" then we would have had a shitty stalemate.
"Lady just let me go home"!
I appreciate that there is a real threat for women when it comes to being
out alone at night, but not everyone is a rapist. You can't kill someone before you know that they are a
rapist
If only there was something not so
deadly, like a "I'm gonna to tell yo mama" phone or something
[/quote]I
suppose you didn't read my initial post well enough. This guy was NOT asking for a light or
directions.
It's every woman's (or man) god given right to defend his/herself. Maybe it sounds
crude to you but i don't think molesters/pedos etc deserve to live, and don't give me that
"they'll suffer more in prison so its more effective etc" crap , that's just a waste of the
tax payers' good money nd they'll be out and about in a few years anyways.
I never said that they are better off in prison
and I wasn't saying that the guy who attacked you might have been asking for a light or directions, he
obviously wasn't. In that case you did have to protect yourself. What I was saying that if guns in Japan
that night when I was walking behind that women with no intent at all, she might have shot me.
Make every moment count!
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Posted 07 April 2005 - 04:41 PM
Why is there less crime in Asian countries? (STRESS: I AM NOT SAYING THERE IS NO CRIME)
I think it might
be something to do with the fact that fewer people are walking around saying "it's my god given
right"...
I think a lot of problems
in America stem from the fact that so many of it's citizens are convinced that they can do whatever they
want. "It's a free country isn't it?"
You don't hear many other nationalities saying
anything like that.
DY runs for cover...
I think it might
be something to do with the fact that fewer people are walking around saying "it's my god given
right"...
I think a lot of problems
in America stem from the fact that so many of it's citizens are convinced that they can do whatever they
want. "It's a free country isn't it?"
You don't hear many other nationalities saying
anything like that.
DY runs for cover...
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Posted 07 April 2005 - 04:50 PM
I
don't know if I agree with people (females or males) being able to carry loaded concealed guns/weapons...but
I do agree with Jai that everyone has a right to defend themselves.
By the way sorry for your past
experience Jai....that must have been a scary situation to be in to say the least.
I do think there
should be more strict penalties for pedaphiles, rapists, etc.. I mean I have no objection to seeing criminals
like this castrated (either their balls or entire penises) sliced off John Bobbitt style...but as for
murder/killing them...it would depend on the particular severity of the rape. Whatever the punishment....in my
opinion rape, pedaphilia, etc. is wrong.
don't know if I agree with people (females or males) being able to carry loaded concealed guns/weapons...but
I do agree with Jai that everyone has a right to defend themselves.
By the way sorry for your past
experience Jai....that must have been a scary situation to be in to say the least.
I do think there
should be more strict penalties for pedaphiles, rapists, etc.. I mean I have no objection to seeing criminals
like this castrated (either their balls or entire penises) sliced off John Bobbitt style...but as for
murder/killing them...it would depend on the particular severity of the rape. Whatever the punishment....in my
opinion rape, pedaphilia, etc. is wrong.
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Posted 07 April 2005 - 04:50 PM
daniel ,she is completely right.
self defense to the point of incapacitating a potential rapist or even
a dude that wont take no for an answer...is(or at least should be in most countries) a right.
there's a lot of reasons for a high percentage of crime in america. Its not the percieved attitude
about that as an american 'i can do whatever the hell i want', that causes it--.
the severity
of the rape?? what the hell are you talking about sean.
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self defense to the point of incapacitating a potential rapist or even
a dude that wont take no for an answer...is(or at least should be in most countries) a right.
there's a lot of reasons for a high percentage of crime in america. Its not the percieved attitude
about that as an american 'i can do whatever the hell i want', that causes it--.
the severity
of the rape?? what the hell are you talking about sean.
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